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Naugrim

Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 650
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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I started painting... made all of the bases brown, and at the end ill make a yellow drybrush on the bases...
Now to the next step:
1) Ill paint all the cloaks and all the cloth in Orange
2) Ill paint all the faces in elf flesh
3) Ill then paint all the models in a mix of dark gray+boltgun metal, armor, weapons...
Then ill make a quick wash, ink brown+flesh and lots of water and small amount of black...
Then ill go for first highlight,
1)red on diluted orange...
2)Orange/Yellow drybrush for cloaks
3) gray + silver for armor and weapons...
4) elf flash+white for face
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Then Ill make a 2nd highlight were it should be applicable...
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 Question how to paint their hair... I thought about blond hair...
But then will they look like dark or high elfs...
Or to make different color for hair... Black brown yellow...
This weekend just before New years eve....Ill make first steps and then Ill post pics...
Do not know why but this army is growing on to me... That is a general in me trying to show itself... No more strong and resilient dwarfs/orcs I am all in Dark elfs... But am afraid not to make them to shiny ...
I hope that models are to dark, so no shiny color schema can make them high... Thanks for reading my ranting...  _________________ "He who dies with the most unpainted metal miniatures wins."
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Rocket-Toad
Joined: 18 May 2006 Posts: 3605 Location: stUcK in UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't have a problem with Dark Elves having blonde hair.
The 'Wraith' on Stargate Atlantis have white hair and they look very scary.
Just because the Dark Elves allegiance/religion changed, it doesn't mean that their DNA did.  |
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Naugrim

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procopius
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: |
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I think darker hair might be nice, so as to contrast with the orange clothing.
| Naugrim wrote: | | I love the color of the Drows- Dark elfs from D&D Forgoten realms, |
Not easy to paint well though. |
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Rajmahal Site Admin

Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 4745
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like a good idea.
I would paint the hair a few different ways so as to give them some variety. My high elves have everything from blonde to black hair. It's an easy thing to do even if you're painting 100's of models at a time. Just paint the 1/3 of the models blonde, 1/3 brown and 1/3 black. Then put the same brownish ink over the blonde and brown ones and you're done. Definitely put some variety of hair colour in each regiment as well, you don't want all the corsairs to be blonde and all the witche elves to have dark hair for example. _________________ Thanks, Raj Dhillon |
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spurious
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 111 Location: Basingstoke
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Rajmahal wrote: | Sounds like a good idea.
I would paint the hair a few different ways so as to give them some variety. My high elves have everything from blonde to black hair. It's an easy thing to do even if you're painting 100's of models at a time. Just paint the 1/3 of the models blonde, 1/3 brown and 1/3 black. Then put the same brownish ink over the blonde and brown ones and you're done. Definitely put some variety of hair colour in each regiment as well, you don't want all the corsairs to be blonde and all the witch elves to have dark hair for example. |
Seconded. Use a nice variety of hair colours across the unit, it'll look more 'natural' that way. Also rember to blend a few colours occasionally so you get different shades of blonde or brown for extra win.  |
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Naugrim

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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Thanks,
My Lady wife asked me why am I going to put the pics. of not jet finished unit, and it got me thinking:
because this is a very good way for speeding painting process, and to get good feed back...
This is all the models in my army except the 4 balista for dark elfs...
Guys thanks for comments, for now Ill paint the all metal parts the face, and then the hair and then the inking... and then we shell see...
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HAPPY NEW 2007. MY YOU MAKE ALL YOUR WISHES COME TRUE
On of my, is to play lots of games with Ray, I am counting the days...
2 moths or less...
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Naugrim

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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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_________________ "He who dies with the most unpainted metal miniatures wins."
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Rocket-Toad
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Play them as horses until you can work out a stat line for the Lizard mount that you are happy with.
It would be a worthwhile activity because I imagine that there is going to be a high percentage of Cold ones in the Dark Elf armies of those folk who are taking up AoA as an extension of their hobby.
You would be doing them a service as well. |
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Naugrim

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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Nick, the army looks impressive!!!
I think that its around 10 000 pts, with a dragon or Hydra...
I even have in plan to make 3 flame elementals...
And those 3 at the back are Chaos, Death, Fire wizard...
and a unit of 20 skeletons... _________________ "He who dies with the most unpainted metal miniatures wins."
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Rajmahal Site Admin

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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Looking great so far, Naugrim. Once you paint the metal, skin, hair and apply the inks ... the army will look awesome.
Any plans to shade/highlight the orange? You could try applying a red ink and then highlighting with a bit of orange/yellow. Would look great.
Looking forward to you coming over to my end of the woods. Have you decided on an area of Toronto to live in? I live in Brampton so the closer the better .... though we'll both have cars so it won't be a huge problem as long as it's in the Toronto area. _________________ Thanks, Raj Dhillon |
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Naugrim

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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: |
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First to Brampton and then to Ill see after couple of months...
I tested a small clash 30 dark elfs picks VRS 35 Berserkers...
and at the end the 13 Picks flew, but the 7 berserker's run after them and that happened only in 2 combat rounds...
This game is a killer, in 2 combat phases I menage to kill 45 miniatures...
That hurts... I paint them for a long time and they die like flies..
So I assume that in this game the charge with your troops is something that you do when you are absolutely certain that enemy will brake...
I love the Dark elfs already... on the other hand Dwarfs look a little week... But I need to be patient...
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Rajmahal Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Dwarfs definitely aren't weak ... believe me. Rock steady infantry that are almost immune to enemy magic combined with very heavy hitting cavalry. If you want, I'll show you just how tough they can be when we have our first game.
Regarding your test game with pikemen versus berserkers .... I'm very suprised the pikemen lost. Did you make the berserkers in skirmish formation? All berserkers have to be in skirmish formation as per rules. Also, the pikes get first strike in the first round of combat and since the berserkers were in skirmish formation, any berserkers that died from the pikes in the first round of combat should not have made their attacks. So I would have thought the berserkers would have lost that match up very badly. But who knows, maybe the dice gods were smiling on them. _________________ Thanks, Raj Dhillon |
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Naugrim

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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I made the Berserkers in a skirmish formation...
In the first round Pikelfs had 22 attacks and killed 10 of Berserkers and 3 berserkers hit back and it was 9 attacks... 3 dead...
But in the 2 combat round it was 39 attacks from Berserkers and only 22 from Pike elfs... after all the 13 pike elfs survived... but there was only 7 berserkers left standing... as I understood they don't run they just throw out execs points as wounds...
So there were 15 of them and they fell the moral test for 4 and it was 8 dead...
Regarding dwarfs I don't have any dwarven cavalry... Old GW dwarven school... and they don't look so strong... if you don't look at thers magic resistance, They even have same armor as elfs... and in this game armor incorporate Toughness.... isn't it!!!
What I found is that some players love that their miniatures survive, I myself am for Russian tacti any day...
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Rajmahal Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Nasty .... only thing you might want to consider, did you lose 1 wound per 15 remaining models (rounding up). Because that means the berserkers should have lost two models per point that it lost its morale test by in the first turn. They had -5 penalty from casualties, -1 from facing superior enemy (skirmishers against the front of rank and file unit of equal or greater wounds) and -2 relative morale penalties/bonus (25 remaining base 1 skirmishers versus 27 rank and file base 1's) for a total penalty of -8 .... their leadership is 8 (I think) so basically they should have lost 2 extra models for every point they rolled over 0 on 2D6 for their morale test. Statistically if you rolled a 7, that means they should have lost 14 more models .... leaving only 11 berserkers in combat with 27 pikemen. Still with only 11 berserkers left, they should still have hurt the pikemen significantly in the second round since dark elf berserkers have 3 skill 3 attacks at strength 1 each. But the berserkers probably shouldn't have survived the counter attack ... unless the pikemen rolled really badly in the second round. _________________ Thanks, Raj Dhillon |
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